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EP 6: Terri Morris Allegation Wrap-Up

Liberty Station Apartments:

Alleged Rape Location:

Alleged Location Holtzclaw Started to go into Field to Possibly Sexually Assault Morris Again. Defense claims Holtzclaw actually paused here to let Morris out because her grandmother lived on the cross street and Morris didn’t want to be seen pulling up in a police car.

Below are the Oklahoma City police reports relevant to this episode. I have redacted personal information where necessary.

Below is the video and audio recorded first interview between Detective Rocky Gregory and accuser Terri L. Morris.

Bates Investigates

Episode 6 ׀Daniel Holtzclaw: Terri Morris Allegation Wrap Up

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Disclaimer: This podcast deals with adult subject matter, including depictions of drug addiction, prostitution, sexual assault, and rape.  Parental guidance is suggested.

00:37[OPENING AUDIO COLLAGE]

Newscaster: Officer Daniel Holtzclaw, with the Police Department for three years, is accused of raping and sexually assaulting women he pulled over while on the job.

Jannie Ligons: He said, ‘Come on, come on, just a minute, just a minute’.  I say, ‘Sir, I can’t do this’.  I say, ‘you gonna shoot...’

Det. Kim Davis: Tell me your description of him.

Sherri Ellis: He’s black.

Det. Kim Davis: He’s b—okay, he’s a black male.

Det. Kim Davis: What did your daughter tell you?

Amanda Gates: She said, ‘I met this really hot cop’.

Shardayreon Hill: So, this is good evidence?

Det. Rocky Gregory: Well, you tell me.

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Timestamp: The following episode contains investigative events which occurred on July 10, 2014.

01:22

Host:Welcome back to season one of Bates Investigates, the State of Oklahoma vs. Daniel Holtzclaw.  When we left off last episode, forty-three year old Oklahoma City resident Terri Morris, while admittedly high on crack, told her ex-boyfriend, two patrol officers, a Lieutenant, and Detective Rocky Gregory all the same story.  That on either May 20th or 21st, while in downtown Oklahoma City and walking to the City Rescue Mission, she was stopped by a police officer who was driving an older style patrol car.  The officer then forced her to perform oral sex upon him and then dropped her off in a back alley.  Morris claimed that she waited a couple of days and that Christopher Shelton was the first person she confided in.  She told this story multiple times and investigating officers made sure to make note that her story was consistent with each telling.  At this point I feel compelled to replay a quote from Oklahoma City Police Sex Crimes Detective Kim Davis.  It's a quote I first played for you back in episode 4 and I told you then it would be a reoccurring theme just so I could point out the bias and ridiculousness of it.

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Det. Kim Davis:We’ll take our time and we’ll verify everything the girls say, or we’ll verify everything he said. And the—and, and that’s the way the chips are gonna fall.  And everything the girls said verified, and nothing he said did. [laugh]

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02:54

Host:The reality is nothing about Morris' story is checking out at all.  When Daniel Holtzclaw was questioned about encountering Morris downtown and offering her a ride to the City Rescue Mission, he emphatically denied it.  And the evidence, all of it, supports Holtzclaw's denials.  When Detective Gregory went to verify Morris' allegations, I remind you, allegations made by a woman who admitted she was high on crack and diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and not taking her prescribed meds, he immediately ran into problems trying to pin the accusations on Holtzclaw.  Holtzclaw’s patrol car GPS clearly showed he never stopped anywhere near the Downtown City Rescue Mission at any time.  Let alone the dates insisted upon by Morris.   Additionally, Holtzclaw drives the much more rare, newer model, all black patrol car.   And, lastly, while Morris' description of her attacker does contain similarities to Holtzclaw—six foot tall, muscular and clean shaven—that description could also apply to many other officers.  More importantly, Morris' description also contains many discrepancies.  She said her attacker appeared to be much older than Holtzclaw, as old as being in his forties and possibly fifties, and having “dark skin”.  Detective Gregory tried to overcome the description problems by presenting Morris with a photo lineup that he admitted in trial targeted Holtzclaw for identification and intentionally left out an officer who not only had recent contact with Morris, but is also known to have sex with prostitutes while on duty.  That plan backfired when Morris was unable to positively ID Holtzclaw as her attacker.  As you now know, detectives never utilized a photo lineup again in this case for fear the accusers could not positively identify Holtzclaw.  Then there's the fact that Morris is unsure she's ever met the officer who attacked her in the past.  Yet, Detective Gregory knows, that according to police records, Holtzclaw has encountered Morris at least three times and the most recent was on May 8th at the Liberty Station Apartments, not the 20th or 21st and it was on the other side of the city.  Holtzclaw has even arrested Morris for property destruction back in September of 2013.

05:26

With all of these details that don't check out, despite what Detective Kim Davis would claim otherwise, Detective Gregory has targeted Officer Daniel Holtzclaw as his suspect and he is relentless in that pursuit. I pointed out last episode that Detective Gregory made what I think is a convenient and ridiculous claim.  He claimed that the moment he saw Morris when he went to interview her a second time, that she exclaimed "He did it again, didn't he?!" to which Detective Gregory noted in his report, that he allegedly replied, "He did".  Those quotes weren't captured in his recordings of their interview, but that's not the most important detail that wasn't recorded.  While I was going over every word in Detective Gregory's reports, I noticed a notation in reference to his second interview of Morris, the interview I played for you last episode.  The interview that is transcribed by Oklahoma City Police in their own reports.  Detective Gregory noted, "I asked Terri if this subject had stopped her before up at Liberty Station Apartments.  She acted like she didn't, but she was aggravated with questions and wanted to go."  That quote, or any other mention of Liberty Station Apartments, appears nowhere in Detective Gregory's recorded interview with Morris.  That's extremely important.  That means that Detective Gregory is intentionally either omitting portions of recorded interviews or is so negligent and incompetent that he picks and chooses what he is going to record and when.  Then there's the use of his wording in his reports.  Morris “acted” like her attacker didn't confront her at Liberty Station Apartments.  How would Detective Gregory know if Morris is “acting” as opposed to what she really would have done, which is to simply have answered his question with a no.  Detective Gregory often uses wordplay to his benefit and to the target of his investigations detriment.  You'll recall that Morris repeatedly says her attacker has "dark skin."  Yet, in this most recent report, Detective Gregory uses the term “olive skin”.  Nowhere does Morris use that term in any interview.  But Gregory knows that he has much to overcome if he wants to implicate Holtzclaw, including descriptions by both Ligons and now Morris that don't match Daniel in critical areas.  You'll recall that Ligons claimed her attacker was shorter than six foot, older than Daniel Holtzclaw, blonde, and had acne scarred skin.  But it actually doesn't surprise me that Detective Gregory's reports are so unfairly biased against Holtzclaw.

8:26

I've posted this most recent police report on last episode's homepage at holtzclawtrial.com. Look down at the bottom of that report.  It clearly states the report wasn't even written until July 24, 2014.  That's over a month after Gregory had actually interviewed Morris a second time.  And in that time, Gregory has interviewed Morris a third time, and set his sights on additional alleged victims, and has actually already gotten confirmation from the Oklahoma County DA’s office that they have agreed to prosecute Holtzclaw based on Ligons’ and Morris' complaints.  But there are hints in Detective Gregory's report that he's had an entire conversation with Morris that he either didn't bother to record or intentionally excluded from the discovery evidence.  A conversation, whose sole intent, I'd argue, was to begin to reshape Morris' claims to more directly implicate Holtzclaw.  According to the transcript of Morris' second interview, Detective Gregory asked Morris, "Okay, describe him one more time".  Morris, "Uh".  Detective Gregory, "You know this is important".  Later in the interview Detective Gregory asks this, "And, now you're still saying a couple of blocks from the mission?" Morris, “Yes”.  Gregory, “I know I keep covering it, but you know there's a reason".  I personally feel that Morris was simply too high from crack and too disoriented from not taking her meds to catch Detective Gregory's hints that she’s needing to change her story to a description that more closely resembled Holtzclaw and a location that matched GPS records.  Now, before you go thinking I've jumped down some conspiracy rabbit hole, you need to absorb what happens next.  I mentioned just a minute ago a third interview between Detective Gregory and Morris.  You're getting ready to hear that interview.  And, it's going to take this investigation into overdrive.

10:30

According to Detective Gregory, in the days following the June 24th second interview of Morris, he and Detective Davis had been advised by OCPD Lab Analyst Elaine Taylor that female DNA, not belonging to Ligons, had been located on the fly of Holtzclaw's uniform pants.  On July 1st, Detective Davis and another female detective went to Holtzclaw's girlfriend's place of employment and obtained a buccal swab DNA sample from the inside of her mouth.  That sample was tested and did not match the DNA on Holtzclaw's uniform.  On July 10th, Detective Gregory noted that Morris was now in custody of the Oklahoma County Jail after she was recently arrested on an unrelated charge.  Detective Gregory, along with Lieutenant Muzny, drove to the Oklahoma County Jail to interview Morris and obtain a DNA sample from her.  Once again, Detective Gregory claims that information very positive to his investigation was stated by Morris, yet he somehow managed to not capture those statements in his investigative recordings.  According to Gregory's report, "As soon as I seen Terri she advised me she was happy to see me.  Terri advised ‘there is something I've wanted to tell you!’”  Detective Gregory goes on to note that Terri was taken immediately to an interview room and that once they all arrived "Terri immediately told me that she gave me the wrong location to where her assault happened."  In reality, the recording of this third interview contains none of that.  The recording clearly shows that Morris, Gregory and Muzny had gone over Morris' story at least once before Detective Gregory even bothered to record Morris' statements.  Statements that now almost magically place the sexual assault on the other side of town, at a completely different date and directly implicate Holtzclaw.

12:32

You'll recall that Detective Gregory admitted in his report of his second interview that he suggested the Liberty Station Apartments location to Morris; yet, that conversation, how it came about, and under what context Detective Gregory suggested that new location for the assault, doesn't appear in any transcript or audio recordings.  This is an important detail that came up during the trial and once again Detective Gregory is caught in a lie.  At trial, Daniel Holtzclaw's Defense Attorney, Scott Adams asks Detective Gregory about this third interview with Morris.   Mr. Adams inquires as to why the recorded interview appears to begin at the end of Morris talking about the sexual assault.  In fact, Morris is heard finishing talking about the alleged rape when Detective Gregory is clearly heard telling Morris to go over the story yet again.  Detective Gregory claims that the entire conversation was not recorded simply because he was caught off guard and wasn't intending on interviewing Morris at the jail and just thought he was there to swab her mouth for DNA.  But as you'll hear in the recorded interview, that's a lie.  Detective Gregory had not only brought a recorder with him, but he says this to Morris during the interview, "Well, I just found out that you were over here and I knew you wanted to talk to us".  Here is the complete redacted recording of Detective Davis' third interview with Morris in the Oklahoma County Jail.  Probably the first thing that you will notice is that Morris now sounds completely different and much more lucid.

14:18[RECORDING BEGINS]

Terri Morris:2014. He gave me my crack pipe back.

Det. Rocky Gregory:This, this is Detective Gregory with, uh, Lieutenant Muzny. We’re here with Terri Morris, uh, here at the County Jail.

Terri Morris:I’m gonna recount the location he stopped me.

Det. Rocky Gregory:She had been, she had been, uh, placed under arrest, uh, she advised that she did want to talk to us a little bit more.  Is that correct, Terri?

Terri Morris:That’s it.  

Det. Rocky Gregory:T—

Terri Morris:That’s all I wanted to…

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Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Terri. Tell…

Terri Morris:[inaudible] I was thinking about that last night.  That’s weird.  Ya’ll just showed up.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay, you said you had some more information.

Terri Morris:That’s all.

Det. Rocky Gregory:T—tell me, tell me again so I can take some notes.

Terri Morris:That, oh, I just said I reco—that the location that I gave you was wrong.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Why, why did you give us the wrong location?

Terri Morris:Cause I didn’t want my boyfriend to kn—uh, be wondering why I was over there by Liberty.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Why was you over there by Liberty?

Terri Morris:Cause I was getting high.  Well, I had been done getting high, but I was leaving on my way home now, when I got out the gate, soon as I stepped outta the gate, he was, like, he called me by my nickname, like he already knew me or something.  He says…

Lt. Tim Muzny:Who? Who?  Who says this?

Terri Morris:The police. He said, ‘T’.  He said, ‘TT’.  He called me TT.  That’s what people on the streets call me.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Right.  I know.

Terri Morris:And he said, uh, ‘Is there anything in your purse sharp?’ or something, he said.  You know what ya’ll say.  ‘Is it sharp or something I could cut myself on?’  And I said, ‘No.’  I said, ‘I have a crack pipe.’  Y—you know, trying to be honest, cause I thought he was a honest cop.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Right.

Terri Morris:And so, he told me to get in the car.  And then he pulled, Liberty is, like, on Twenty Sixth, if you go—come down the one street.  It’s on Twenty Sixth.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Right.

Terri Morris:And then he went up Lin—Lindsey to Twenty Fourth.  Cause Liberty is on Twenty Sixth and Lindsey.  He went up, he went up, uh, to Twenty Fourth and Lindsey, and there’s some more apartments right, right down the street from the welfare office. In back of the welfare off—not, not the new apartments.  They got a big gate around them, I forget the name of them.

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Det. Rocky Gregory:There, there at Liberty.

Terri Morris:No.  Two blocks past Liberty, you know, there’s a bunch apartments.  Like, this is Liberty, then it’s another apartment, then it’s some more apartments, then it’s some more apartments with a gate around.  Iron black gate.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  What did he d—okay, so he stops you there at Liberty.

Terri Morris:Yeah.  And pulls me around there.  And he don’t pull in directly in front of the apartments, but he pulls, like, right before you get in front of them, by, but you, you in front of the apartments, but you not directly in front of them, where, uh, he pulled where nobody could see us.  Nobody could see who he has in the car.  They could probably see his car.  But they can’t see who he have in the car or see what he’s doing.

Lt. Tim Muzny:What—

Terri Morris:And I was sitting there in the back.  He got, he said, uh, he said he was running a check on me.  But I said, ‘Well, I don’t got no warrants or nothing.’  And I guess he mus—I don’t know if he ran the check or for real ran the check or not, but then he just kept twirling my pipe around, looking at it when he was playing with it, like, twiddling it around, looking at it.  Then he said, uh, he got out the car, opened the door, I was sitting just like this in the backseat.  And he opened the door and he said, ‘Unzip your pants.’

Det. Rocky Gregory:And now the way you have your position, you were just sitting there, like, in a normal, normal way.

Terri Morris:Yeah, the normal sitting position.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Keep going.

Terri Morris:And he, he, he, like, this the door, he was standing up, while I’m sitting there, and I didn’t know, I thought he was gonna, you know, let me get out, but he says, ‘Open your pants.’  I said, ‘Open my pants?’  He said, ‘Unzip your—your pants.’  I said, ‘Unzip my pants?’  And then he told me to raise up my shirt, he asked me did I have panties on and everything. And then he said, uh, he said, uh, you, he, he, I said, he said, he asked me to give him some se—oral sex. He didn’t say that though.  I wanna say he said a blow job.  And I was like, ‘What?!’  He was like, ‘Oh, come on.  Just for two minutes.’  And I was, like, I really felt like I didn’t have no choice.  And then I was, like, man, I was like, ‘I—I don’t wanna do this.’ And he said, ‘Oh, come on.’  But I was just trying to figure out, been trying to figure out how he knew my name all along.  Like somebody told him.  Like, that’s TT.

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Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay, I—I gonna back you up just a little bit, okay?  Before you told me about you was headed down to the mission, so that’s not true?

Terri Morris:No.  Just…

Det. Rocky Gregory:And you didn’t leave a rehab center?

Terri Morris:Yeah, I was at the rehab.  I did relapse on the rehab.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Where was you walking from?

Terri Morris:When I seen him? Outta Liberty.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Outta Liberty.

Terri Morris:But he had just pulled out of Liberty too, messing with me, but he had seen me standing on the porch and he had never even messed with me.  It’s, like, soon as I left out of Liberty, he left out of Liberty.

Det. Rocky Gregory:On what day was this?

Terri Morris:Oh, I don’t remember.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Now…

Terri Morris: Mr. Williams, I don’t remember all of that now.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Well, it’s, okay, it’s—you’ve always said the 20thor 21st.

Terri Morris:It’s got, probably around, but yeah, it’d probably be then I’d probably remember.  I don’t remember now, you know what I mean?

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  So yo—you don’t know.  But it was i—i—do you know if it was a few days before you told your boyfriend and the police about the rape?

Terri Morris:Yeah, it was some days before then.  It was…

Det. Rocky Gregory:But you don’t know how many days?

Terri Morris:I wanna say it was about probably a we—uh, for about eight days.

Det. Rocky Gregory:But you had been getting high during that time?

Terri Morris:Lo—well, I relapsed even worse when he did that.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay, okay, now tell me what time of day was this?

Terri Morris:It was, uh, evening.  It was, it was, uh, uh, dark outside.  Wasn’t late though.  It was, like, early evening, but it was, you know, just getting dark.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Now…

Terri Morris:I wanna say it was about eight or nine.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.

Lt. Tim Muzny:Thank you.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Now…

Terri Morris:I don’t really know.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Te—tell me this…

Terri Morris:I’m getting all confused again. [sobbing]

Det. Rocky Gregory:Now, hey, hey, you’re doing fine.  You’re doing fine, okay?

Terri Morris:[sobbing] Cause I can’t think of all that stuff no more.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Have another drink of pop.

Terri Morris:I can’t remember all that stuff, it’s like jumbled up in my head anymore.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Now I didn’t know if you liked Dr. Pepper or Coke.  I hope that was okay.  You like Coke?

Terri Morris:[drinking] Dr. Pepper’s my favorite, but I like all pop.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Oh, well, that’ll work.  That’ll work.

Lt. Tim Muzny:Remember, Coke’s the real thing.

Terri Morris:[drinking] Unh uh, Pepsi is.

Det. Rocky Gregory:So you, so you’re wanting to get up, part of a rehab center, huh?

Terri Morris:Yeah, I wanna get back into treatment.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Well, you said this is about the clearest of mind that I’ve seen you. I mean, you seemed a lot better since you been…

21:31

Terri Morris:Well, they got me in here on trespassing cause my friend Matthew lied on me.  And, uh, tol—cause he’d been owing me some money for two months.  My friend Matthew been owing me some money for going and getting this girl Crystal outta Liberty, cause she moved apartments and I don’t know what they got going but he said he had a job for her.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Well, and, and that’s okay.

Terri Morris:So, he told me if I wanna get my little money…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.

Terri Morris:I had to go with him to the VA to get his Traveler’s Pay.

Det. Rocky Gregory:It’s okay.  Look, you said you just wanted part of your rehab, okay.

Terri Morris:Yeah…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Let me see if I… 

Terri Morris:I just wanna get back in rehab.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Let me see if, if rehab, you know it’s, I’m sure that there’s gonna be something, maybe, if you’re willing to volunteer for it.

Terri Morris:I wanna go to rehab.  I wanna finish my treatment.  I wanna start over and get back in my treatment.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Well, I wanna, let me cover this.  Okay?  And then let’s talk about the rehab a little more, okay?

Terri Morris:Okay, cause…

Det. Rocky Gregory:When you came outta Liberty, did you come out of that—

Terri Morris:The gate.

Det. Rocky Gregory:The gate?

Terri Morris:The regular gate.

Det. Rocky Gregory:The regular gate?

Terri Morris:The opening gate.

Det. Rocky Gregory:The opening gates.

Terri Morris:Where you ‘posed to come out and go in.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Right.  Where did he stop you from that gate?

Terri Morris:Like, soon as you turn, uh, come out the gate.  Like, soon as I got out the gate.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Right out of the gate.

Terri Morris:Before I got to the next block.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.

Terri Morris:The gate part is on Twenty Seventh.  He stopped me before I got to Twenty Sixth.  Cause both of them is part of Lib—Liberty.  One is Twenty Seventh and, and Phillips, I think.  And then one is Twenty Se—Sixth and Lindsey.

Det. Rocky Gregory:W—are you on the Lindsey side?

Terri Morris:I’m trying to think which I wa—okay, it’s, you know where the welfare office is?  That’s Kelley, and then go down, then it’s Laird, then Laird is Li—what is it, Lindsey after Laird?  I think.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Yeah.

Terri Morris:Yeah, I was on the—yeah, well, I was in between both.  I wasn’t…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Gimme the satellite.  

Terri Morris:I hadn’t made it to Twenty Sixth to the corner.  Like, I was…

Det. Rocky Gregory:But you walk out the gates?  I only know of one gate myself.

Terri Morris:Yeah.  

Det. Rocky Gregory:You, you…

Terri Morris:I walked out the gate and I turned.  Soon as I turned…

Det. Rocky Gregory:You turn right or left?

Terri Morris:Uh, well, I turned this away.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Left.

Terri Morris:Whatever.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay, left, okay.  And he stopped you?

Terri Morris:Yeah.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Does he take you anywhere from there?

Terri Morris:[drinking] Yeah, he pu—a—put me in the car and pulls around to Twenty Fourth and stops.

Det. Rocky Gregory:And that’s where he does everything he did to you.

Terri Morris:Yeah.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Twenty Fourth and what?

Terri Morris:Twenty Fourth and, uh, Lindsey.  Then he says, you know it’s a, uh, there’s some kinda place across the street from them apartments.  Like, some kind of a…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Museum?

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Terri Morris:Yeah, museum.

Det. Rocky Gregory:So, Twenty Sixth and Lindsey and he drives you to Twenty Fourth and Lindsey.

Terri Morris:Right.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Is it a parking lot, or what is it?

Terri Morris:No.  No.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Twenty Sixth, down to Twenty Fourth.

Terri Morris:It’s right across the street…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Pull the satellite up.

Lt. Tim Muzny:Uh, on Google Earth?

Det. Rocky Gregory:Yeah, like, so she can visually see.

Terri Morris:There’s a museum right across the street from the apartments.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Where does he, where does he pull you into?

Terri Morris:Right there on the street.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Oh, on the street.  Okay.

Terri Morris:He stops…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Do—does he search you before he, he puts you in the car?  So, everything is, he picks you up, takes you over…

Terri Morris:The only thing he searched was my purse. 

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.

Terri Morris:And when I told him I had a crack pipe, he took that out.

Det. Rocky Gregory:So, when he gets you over there, that’s when he comes to the back?

Terri Morris:Yeah.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Does he have you get out of the car?  Now, before you said he got you out of the car.

Terri Morris:He, no.  He, he had, he got out the car.

Det. Rocky Gregory:He got out of the car.

Terri Morris:I was sitting down.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.

Terri Morris:And he came to the back seat, the back door, opens the door, and I was like, ‘I told you I don’t have no warrants or nothing, so can I go on?’  He said, ‘Open your pants.’  I said, ‘What?’  He said, ‘Open your pants.’  He said, ‘Do you got some panties on?’

Det. Rocky Gregory:Did you—

Terri Morris:And so, I’m, like, looking at him, like, horrified, like…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Did you unzip your pants?

Terri Morris:Yeah, what was I ‘posed to do?  He the police.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Did you pull ‘em on down?

Terri Morris:No.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Did he move?

Terri Morris:He just moved, like, the little flap to look.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Did you have on un—

Terri Morris:Part of my little zipper part.  He just…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Did you have on underwear?

Terri Morris:Did I?  No.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Could he see your vagina?

Terri Morris:Yeah.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.

Terri Morris:And then he said, ‘Raise your shirt up.’  He said, uh, he, I—I didn’t have my under clothes on.  I was actually on my way over to my friend Terry Wayne’s to go lay down.

Det. Rocky Gregory:So you just had, you told him what?

Terri Morris:Huh?  He said, ‘Raise your shirt up.’  Do I have a bra on?  He seen [burp] I didn’t have no bra on.  Then he was, like, uh, he, I was, he was like, uh, ‘I could take you to jail for this crack pipe.’  I said, ‘People just crunch…’  I said, ‘Most polices just crunch that up and let us go.’  He said, ‘I could.’  He said, ‘But this is a…’ uh, something.  A charge, or something, he said.

Det. Rocky Gregory:So this is before you lift your shirt up?

Terri Morris:No, that was afterwards.

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Det. Rocky Gregory:All right.  How far did you lift your shirt?

Terri Morris:I just raised it up and let it back down.

Det. Rocky Gregory:So, he could tell you didn’t have a bra on.  Did he ask you to raise it all the way up?

Terri Morris:Mm hmm.  He just said, ‘Raise your shirt up.’

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  And then the next thing after that is what?

Terri Morris:And then he said, was telling me that I, he could take me to jail for my crack pipe.  And I was telling him, ‘Man, please just let me go lay down.  I’m on my…’ cause Terry, he’s my friend, but I call him Uncle Terry Wayne.  Everybody calls him Uncle Terry Wayne.  And he was, like, uh, he said, you, I th—I wanna say he said ‘You give me some head for two minutes.’  I wanna say that’s the h—the way he said it.  And I was, like, huh?  I do not wanna put my mouth on him.  And he was like, ‘Oh, just two minutes.’  And I was like, wow.

Det. Rocky Gregory:So then what?

Terri Morris:Tha—then—c—cause he had already kinda threatened me about the crack pipe so I put my mouth on him.  

Det. Rocky Gregory:Did he unzip his pants or did he take he take it up over the top? For his penis.

Terri Morris:I don’t know cause when I looked it was already out.  I don’t know.  When I looked up and he asked me that he already had his thing out.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Everything you described of this person, of the officer, was that true?

Terri Morris:Yeah.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay, so we’ve already covered that.

Terri Morris:Yeah.  Just the location was not right.

Det. Rocky Gregory:And tell me again why you gave a different location.

Terri Morris:Cause I didn’t want my boyfriend know I had relapsed.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Now, going back to this, after, after the zip up, or after the blow job, what happens?

Terri Morris:Then, he lets me out the car.  Then he say, ‘Well, you know, I can’t give this back to you.’  My pipe.  He gives my purse back.  Then I said to my, I said, ‘Well, shoot, you might as well let me have that back.’ You know cause I’m thinking to myself you done violated me.  And so, he hands it back to me.  And then he says, well, first he says, ‘Well, you really don’t need it.’  He, he, he say, ‘You might go to jail for it.’  And then he says, uh, ‘Well, where you walking to?’ And I say, ‘I’m just going straight up the street.’  I was going to the townhouses behind the welfare office.  Them town, them townhouses right there on Kelley.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Yes, yes, yes.

29:17

Terri Morris:I was going over to, uh, Uncle Terry Wayne’s house and, uh, that was just right up the street. And he says, uh, ‘Nah, I think I should take you.’  I said, ‘No, I can walk.’  He said, ‘I wouldn’t want nothing bad to happen to you out here.’  Then I said, ‘No, I can walk.  Please let me walk.’  And, uh, I wanted to tell him I wasn’t gonna t—say nothing, just please let me go, but I didn’t get to say all that.  I asked him let me go and he, uh, said, ‘No, I think I better take you.’  And I’ll tell you where he took me.  He put me in the car.  He said, ‘I better take you.’  He put me in the car but he drove past the street.  He turned and I said, ‘Where are you going?’  He said, ‘I’m just taking a different route.’  He passed the whole street.  He—my grandmother lives on Hill Street.  That’s where I grew up [redacted] Hill.  Right off of Thirty Second and Kelley.  Well, there’s a field right there.  It looked like he was getting ready to turn the car into the field and I started screaming.  And he said just, w—what he say, just, uh, he said, ‘Oh, relax.  Just calm down.  I’m gonna take you where you supposed to go.’  So, I’m thinking well, what are you doing, why are you, why are you taking all these detours?  I think he was gonna do something more to me.  I don’t know.

Det. Rocky Gregory:So, where did he take you to?

Terri Morris:Finally he took me back.

Det. Rocky Gregory:To where?

Terri Morris:He finally took me to my, uh, uncle’s apartment.  Um…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Off the Urban.  Off that Urban Street?

Terri Morris:Off of Kelley.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Or Urban League?  That’s Urban League.

Terri Morris:Oh, yeah.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Where, where I saw you that one time?  The very first time.

Terri Morris:No.  He was taking me to Twenty Sixth and Kelley. Behind the welfare office.

Det. Rocky Gregory:So, he takes you off of Kelley behind the welfare office.

Terri Morris:Into townhouses. And I walk over to Terry Wayne’s house. And I tell Terry that’s what happ—uh, well, I didn’t even tell my Uncle Terry Wayne.  I just wanted to go and lay down.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Where’s this field at that he drove to?

Terri Morris:On Hill.  On [redacted] East Hill.  Right off of L—uh, it’s right on, it’s…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Where your mom lives?

Terri Morris:Where my grandma, yeah, it’s a field down the street from her house.

Det. Rocky Gregory:He was gonna take you home?

Terri Morris:He was gonna take me in that field.  Her house is on this e—one end of the block, then there’s a field that separate the blocks.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Why would he take you there cause [inaudible]?

Terri Morris:In the field?

Det. Rocky Gregory:No, no.  Why would he take you over by your grandma’s house?

Terri Morris:Probably cause he seen that field.  I don’t think he knew that’s where I st—where I grew up.  

Det. Rocky Gregory:He didn’t?

Terri Morris:I don’t think he knew I grew up right there.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Do you remember him running you on the radio or?

Terri Morris:He said he did. I don’t know.  He said he did. 

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.

32:01

Terri Morris:I don’t, I don’t, I heard him saying something on, but I don’t know if he was doing it for real or just, but I think he was doing it for real because he would’ve known that I had—cause he seen that I didn’t have no warrants.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Let’s take a break.

Lt. Tim Muzny:Terri, where, uh, where you, where you said he took you, after he…

Terri Morris:See, I don’t think he knew I grew up down the street from that field.

Lt. Tim Muzny:Okay.  Was there any kind—did he pull into any kind of driveway or anything like that?

Terri Morris:No. No.  He got—I know he was getting ready to pull in that field…

Lt. Tim Muzny:We—

Terri Morris:Because I could tell by the way he wa—that he was getting ready to turn.

Lt. Tim Muzny:No, no, no. Not the field.  Where, where the first?

Terri Morris:No, it was on the street.

Lt. Tim Muzny:On the street?

Terri Morris:Outside that gate of the apartments. 

Lt. Tim Muzny:So you…

Terri Morris:Right across from that museum.

Lt. Tim Muzny:Could you take us to the area?

Terri Morris:L—yeah, I could take you and show you directly.  I could show you the field.  I could show you where he did what he did to me.  I could show you exactly where he picked me up.

Det. Rocky Gregory:All right, we’d have to get authorization.

Lt. Tim Muzny: [inaudible]

Det. Rocky Gregory:To take her?

Terri Morris:Is this man gonna get to me in jail?

Lt. Tim Muzny and Det. Rocky Gregory simultaneously:No, no, no, no, no, no.

Terri Morris:[hyperventilating]

Det. Rocky Gregory:Hey, have your coke.  Just relax.

Terri Morris:[sobbing]

Lt. Tim Muzny:Hey, Terri, you’re doing fantastic.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Look, I wanna, I wanna talk a little bit more about this rehab. Okay?

Terri Morris:Okay.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.

Terri Morris:Okay.

Det. Rocky Gregory:You serious about this?

Terri Morris:Yeah.

Det. Rocky Gregory:You serious about this?

Terri Morris:Yeah.

[Det. Gregory and Lt. Muzny speaking inaudibly in background]

Terri Morris:You think, Detective Williams, after I, uh…

Det. Rocky Gregory:It’s Gregory.

Terri Morris:Show ya’ll everything…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Yeah, just push it.  Just h—hit the big red button and you’re out.

Terri Morris:I thought your name was Detective Greg Williams.

Det. Rocky Gregory:No.  It’s Gregory.

Terri Morris:Oh, where I get Williams?

Det. Rocky Gregory:My, my first name is Rocky.

Terri Morris:Oh.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Remember, like the boxer.

Terri Morris:Yeah. Rocky.

Det. Rocky Gregory:There you go.  That, maybe that might be… okay.

Terri Morris:And then there wasn’t no other police with him either [crying].

Det. Rocky Gregory:Hey, one more question.  Was that—y—n—now you said before it was the older style car.  Not the…

Terri Morris:Yeah, it was the black and white one.  The old square ones.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  And it wasn’t the new black streamline.

Terri Morris:No.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.

Terri Morris:You think after I show you everything that I might could make one call to my boyfriend to let him know what’s going on.  My ex. Cause he called me and he said he seen something about it on the news.  Was it on the news?

34:29

Det. Rocky Gregory:Uh, it, yours is not on the news.

Terri Morris:Yeah, he said the girl.  And he said he thought about me.  And he said, ‘ And I am so sorry for thinking you were lying.’

Det. Rocky Gregory:Terri, this is permission for me to take the, remember the spit?

Terri Morris:[sobbing] Yeah.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Just, look at this.  You can read right?

Terri Morris:Ye—yeah.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Now all you gotta do is, is right here.

Terri Morris:I just wanna, I wanna, I wanna get out of here and get into a drug treatment.  I don’t…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Well.

Terri Morris:I know they gonna let me out anyway.  N—cause they done said that…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Well, as far as your charges, you know, I can’t do anything about the charges.

Terri Morris:I know, but they said, I already know the people said that I was gonna go home.  You—they just said they backed up.  You know?

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.

Terri Morris:I ain’t got nothing but trespassing and crack pipe.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Well, I just found out that you were over here and, and then I knew you wanted to talk to us.

Terri Morris:Who told you?

Det. Rocky Gregory:That—we—we can pull it up.

Terri Morris:Well, how did you know to pull this up?

Det. Rocky Gregory:Well, because—

Terri Morris:Do I put the date down?  

Det. Rocky Gregory:Sure.

Terri Morris:I don’t know the date.  Ten?

Det. Rocky Gregory:Ten.  Seven Ten. Seven Ten.  That’s a six.

Terri Morris:Well, what kind of treatment, what kind of drug treatment can you get me—oh, yeah cause my birthday next month.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Oh.  Well, I, I don’t know.  I’ll have to do some checking.  Okay?

Terri Morris:Like, I don’t wanna go to DRI, I’m scared of that.  But I wanna go to a, uh, drug treatment that works.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Well, [sigh], you know [inaudible]…

Terri Morris:Well, maybe I shouldn’t be scared of DRI.  Maybe, I just, uh…

Det. Rocky Gregory:[in background] There you go.

Terri Morris:Maybe I let people scare me too much.  

[inaudible talking in background]

Terri Morris:About it. But maybe ya’ll can get me in DRI.

Det. Rocky Gregory:I wish you would’ve told me before that was the different location.

Terri Morris:I know.

Det. Rocky Gregory:I…

Terri Morris:But I was scared after I told ya’ll that.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Then you just kept… you told me again.

Terri Morris:I know.  I was still scared.

Det. Rocky Gregory:You scared of the officer?

Terri Morris:Yeah.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  Well, you’ve seen me enough during all this.

Terri Morris:I was talking to my, uh, roommate about this la—last night.  And I said, ‘Do you think he could find me in here?’  Tha—is he free?  I don’t want him to come and get me and bother me and…

Det. Rocky Gregory:No, he’s not an officer right now.  Okay, we’ve taken his gun, [inaudible] and all that.

Terri Morris:So, he just can’t come in this place, huh?

Det. Rocky Gregory:Nope.

Terri Morris:This is, like, the safest place I feel.

Det. Rocky Gregory:It’s very safe.

Terri Morris:[crying] But then I was thinking what if, you know, he got some friends in this place that’ll come get me also.

[inaudible talking in the background]

Terri Morris:Do you think, that after I show you the locations, that I might could make a call to my ex and tell him what’s going on?

Det. Rocky Gregory:I don’t—I don’t see a problem about that.  Let’s see what we can do.  Okay?

37:13

Terri Morris:Cause I haven’t been able to, uh, call or… and my ex did tell me that I, he said, ‘I’m sorry that I didn’t believe you.’

Det. Rocky Gregory:He’s sorry with what?

Terri Morris:My ex told me he’s sorry he didn’t believe me when I was telling him about the rape.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Do you remember ever seeing him before?

Terri Morris:That police?

Det. Rocky Gregory:Yeah.

Terri Morris:No.  Like, if I seen him before, I wouldn’t know cause I don’t, you know, cause I’m so busy trying to get away from ‘em all. Like when I, if I seen him, I wouldn’t remember because, like, when police is stopped, you know, black folks doing wrong, we try to move away, hurry up and get away.  Well, I guess that’s anybody doing wrong.

Det. Rocky Gregory:[laugh] I think that’s anybody doing wrong.

Terri Morris:[laugh]

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.

Terri Morris:But I wasn’t even doing nothing wrong that night.  I did have a crack pipe and I was getting high, like, early, early, early up in the day.  But, shit, I didn’t have no money and that—and I was going to lay down.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Where did you go after that happened?

Terri Morris:Where’d he end up dropping me off?

Det. Rocky Gregory:Where did you go?  Where did, where did you go after he dropped you off?

Terri Morris:I went over to Terry Wayne’s where I was headed and went to sleep.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Did…

Terri Morris:I didn’t tell. No, matter of fact, I di—once he left…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Hang on.

Terri Morris:Y—uh, or did I? No, I didn’t.  I started getting high with him.  No, I didn—once he dropped me off, I just, I was so, uh, in, in, in shock, that I think I st—just started really getting high.  Trying to—trying to find me some drugs.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Did you talk to Terry Wayne?

Terri Morris:I didn’t tell him what happened.  I wasn’t telling—I didn’t tell nobody what happened for, like, almost a week.  I think, it might’ve been a week.  Or a week o—a day over.  But I wasn’t talking and telling nobody nothing.  I was scared to tell somebody.

Det. Rocky Gregory:I understand that.  Look, we’re gonna—if you don’t mind, I’d like to take you for a ride so you can show me all this.

Terri Morris:All three of the places?

Det. Rocky Gregory:Yeah.

Terri Morris:Okay.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay.  You can bring your pop there with you.

Terri Morris:I drank that. This is gone.

Det. Rocky Gregory:[laugh]

Terri Morris:[laugh]  I love…

Det. Rocky Gregory:Well, I only brought one.

Terri Morris:I love pop.

Lt. Tim Muzny:Terri with an I or a Y?

39:25

Terri Morris:I.  Do you got a candy bar?

Det. Rocky Gregory:I don’t, I don’t have nothing.  I don’t…

Terri Morris:That’s—my daddy’s name is spelled with a Y.

Lt. Tim Muzny:What’s your date of birth?

Terri Morris:[redacted] I wanna go to drug treatment, Detective Greg.  Please help me get into treatment so I can get myself better.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Well…

Terri Morris:[crying] I don’t wanna get on high no more.  I don’t wanna stay on the streets.

Det. Rocky Gregory:See, and you had done the rehab before.

Terri Morris:Yeah, but, yeah, but, I—the reason why, or what made me relapse is, I don’t know, I had relapsed, but I was gon—trin to go—I was gonna go back, like, the next day.

Det. Rocky Gregory:And, and, and one more thing.  Did he ever do any of this, that, [inaudible] did you have to put your hands on top of the car or anything?

Terri Morris:Unh uh.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Okay, before you told me you put your hands on top of the car.

Terri Morris:No, I don’t remember telling you—he might have put his hands on top of the car.  He had me sitting in the car.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Now, you’re saying, everything.  You showing your breasts…

Terri Morris:I was sitting down the whole ti—

Det. Rocky Gregory:Him, him looking at your vagina.  And the blow job…

Terri Morris:Yeah.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Was all in the back seat of the car.

Terri Morris:Yeah.  He was standing up, like this.  And I was sitting, like this.  And he was standing up over me, like this, right here.

Det. Rocky Gregory:When you gave him oral sex, did…

Terri Morris:All I did was turn my head.

Det. Rocky Gregory:Did you touch him?

Terri Morris:My mouth did. No, I didn’t put my hands on him or…

Det. Rocky Gregory:So you didn’t even put your feet on the ground outside, you just turned your body for the…

Terri Morris:Just my head, yeah.

Det. Rocky Gregory:For oral sex.  Okay. We ready?  I’m gonna get this [picks up recorder]

Terri Morris:Oh, they gonna think ya’ll taking me up—

[RECORDING ABRUPTLY ENDS]

41:10

Host:What you just heard is completely different than what Morris has been professing as the truth every time she's previously been asked about the sexual assault.  And, you may be compelled to believe this version because Morris appears much more clear headed and sober. But, as with her previous story centered around downtown Oklahoma City, this version in Northeast Oklahoma City has some major problems also.  Problems that are apparent on this date back in 2014 and much later when she testifies under oath at trial.  So we are clear, in this version of events Morris now claims that the sexual assault occurred after she left Liberty Station Apartments in Northeast Oklahoma City and now on May 8, 2014.  A revelation that only happened after Detective Gregory suggested this location and date in Morris' second interview.  Suggestions he admits he made, but neglected to audio record.  Additionally, not only has this location been put in Morris' head by Gregory, but she only decides to change her story to this location after she is once again arrested, has set in jail for almost a week, and wants Gregory's help getting into a better rehabilitation facility.  And what about Morris’ excuse for why she lied in the first place?  She claims she didn't want her boyfriend, Christopher Shelton, to know she was "off the wagon and back on drugs."  She claimed that if Shelton knew she was at Liberty Station then he'd know she was using drugs again.  I'm sorry, but that makes no sense whatsoever.  We already know that Shelton had to call 911 because Morris was so high and so out of control she was tearing up his car.  And where did Shelton reportedly run into Morris the night of the 911 call?  Just a couple of blocks from Liberty Station Apartments.  And what was the first thing Morris said in front of Shelton to the police when they arrived at the Valero gas station?  She said she was high from smoking crack cocaine.  Shelton's known Morris for fourteen years.  He lived with her, he's slept with her.  He knows she’s a drug addict.  Besides, she's not claiming the sexual assault happened at Liberty Station Apartments.  She alleges it happened about six blocks away. And she has every reason to be in the area.  Shelton knows that Morris grew up on East Hill Street, where her grandmother currently lives, and that's just a few blocks away.  If she wanted to keep her visit to Liberty Station Apartments secret, why not just eliminate that from her story and simply say a police officer stopped her in the very neighborhood where she’s lived all of her life?

44:14

But let’s break down this May 8th interaction with Holtzclaw - both what we know for a fact and what Morris has claimed previously and what she claims at jury trial.  First, we know Holtzclaw had contact with Morris on this date.  Not because of patrol car GPS, but because Holtzclaw called in to dispatch regarding the interaction.  I'm getting ready to play you that radio traffic.  First, you will hear Holtzclaw, who is identified over the radio by the call sign Two Charlie Forty-Five calling in a male suspect he has confronted at the Liberty Station Apartments.  That suspect’s name is Cody Nichols.

[RECORDING BEGINS]

Officer Daniel Holtzclaw:Forty-Five, I got one at Liberty Station. Two Charlie Forty-Five, stand by. One to run OIC.  The last name is Nichols.  Nora-Ida-Charles-Henry-Ocean-Lincoln-Sam.  First name is Cody.  It’s Charles-Ocean-David-Young.  Date of Birth is gonna be [redacted].  Black male.

[RECORDING ENDS]

Host:There's not much detail on the interaction between Nichols and Holtzclaw.  What we do know is that it had nothing to do with Morris and Morris was simply in the complex at that time.  Allegedly, Morris was hanging out in the doorway of an individual she later identified as her Aunt Shirley.  Morris claims in this interview and later at jury trial that she saw Holtzclaw and his patrol car when he was detaining Nichols. Morris claims that shortly thereafter, she began walking away from Liberty Station Apartments.  That's when Holtzclaw pulls up in his patrol car and stopped her.  Morris said she was then transported from Liberty Station (which is at about Northeast Twenty Sixth and Lindsay), two blocks south to Northeast Twenty Fourth and Lindsay, where Holtzclaw stopped.  This doesn't really match with what I've previously been told by Daniel Holtzclaw and also doesn't match the radio traffic.  I recall Holtzclaw telling me that he saw Morris walking away from Liberty Station, but that he was still with Nichols.  When he finished up, he proceeded south on Lindsay and as he rounded the corner heading east on Twenty Fourth he saw Morris still walking in the distance.  Holtzclaw then rolled up, stopped, and inquired as to what she was doing at Liberty Station Apartments because it's known as an extremely high drug trafficking area and he recognized the apartment she came from as a suspected drug dealers.  This is the audio of Holtzclaw calling in the Morris stop at Northeast Twenty Fourth and Lindsay. 

46:27[RECORDING BEGINS]

Officer Daniel Holtzclaw:Forty-Five’s backed in, but I’ll be on another subject.  I got Twenty Fourth and Lindsey, just East.  Two Charlie Forty-Five, stand by.  One to run OIC.  The last name is Morris. Mary-Ocean-Robert-Robert-Ida-Sam.  First name is Terri. Tom-Edward-Robert-Robert- Ida.  Date of Birth is [redacted]. Uh, black female. [pause]  Uh, correction on, uh, Terri Morris, her date of birth is [redacted], black female.  [pause] Yeah, [redacted], black female.

[RECORDING ENDS]

Host:This stop occurred at approximately 725 Northeast Twenty Fourth Street.  This is a small vacant lot bookended by the Capital Crossing apartment complex to the east and some residential duplexes to the west.  Directly across the street to the south is the Oklahoma History Center.  The time of the stop was 8:46 until 9:01 p.m.  Even by Morris' account, Holtzclaw stops her, asks her about any warrants, runs her through his computer, searches her and her belongings, finds a crack pipe, lectures her about the crack pipe, and talks to her about what she was doing at Liberty Station and where she is headed.  Like the Ligons’ stop, these known activities leave very little, if any time, for anything as brazen as a very public sexual assault.  And, like the Ligons’ stop, there are no witnesses and no direct forensic evidence of a single crime.  Furthermore, Morris has now admitted she was high from smoking crack and not sober like in previous accounts.  Later, at trial Morris will admit to scratching profusely during the stop because she has been sleeping somewhere that was infested with bed bugs. During her police interviews, Morris claimed she offered up the crack pipe in her purse because she was "just being honest."  At trial, however, she reverses this claim and now states that Holtzclaw simply found the crackpipe when he searched her purse.  When I refer to Morris' jury trial testimony, I'm getting my information directly from the trial transcript (pages 3,141 through 3,194). 

48:51

Morris testified at trial that Holtzclaw claimed she was lying to him about her activities at Liberty Station Apartments and that she thought Holtzclaw was trying to confuse her.  Morris claimed at trial that she had told Holtzclaw that she had been at her Aunt Shirley's apartment at Liberty Station and that she was now headed to her Uncle Terry Wayne's house, just a few blocks away.  It's important to note, when Detective Gregory contacted Aunt Shirley, she claimed that she didn't know Morris and that Morris had never been to her apartment.  During her interviews with police, Morris claimed it was dark outside when the assault occurred.  At trial, however, Morris claims "it was still light outside".  Morris now claims that her lifting up her shirt, the unzipping of her pants, and the act of her performing oral sex upon Holtzclaw all happened as she was seated in the backseat of his patrol car.  Previously she had stated in some retellings that she was outside the vehicle for each of these occurrences.  Morris has claimed all along that she was not wearing any underwear.  In Morris' third interview with Detective Gregory, you'll recall she clearly stated that Holtzclaw used his hand to open up her unzipped pants and take a look.  At trial though, the details change once again. Now Morris claims that she simply unzipped her pants and that Holtzclaw never touched her.  Morris did however claim that while seated, facing away from Holtzclaw and wearing tight fitting unzipped jeans, that Holtzclaw could somehow see her vagina.  Once again Morris says she was told to raise her shirt.  Though she admitted he never asked her to expose herself.  Morris said it's at this point that Holtzclaw's penis just appeared.  I've already gone over in a previous episode all that Holtzclaw wears under his uniform that would make it highly unlikely he could simply and effortlessly unzip his pants and expose his erect penis.  It's a process that at the very least would take several seconds.  Yet, in both Ligons’ and Morris' allegations they both say that even though they were seated and only a foot or two away from his crotch area, they never saw him make any extra effort to expose himself.

51:16

At trial, Morris adds yet another detail that makes this process even more unbelievable.  Morris testifies under oath at trial that Holtzclaw was already wearing a condom when he exposed his erect penis and demanded oral sex from her.  In all previous versions of these allegations, Morris claimed Holtzclaw never wore a condom.  Also at trial, Morris now claims that Holtzclaw's exact words were, "Aw, c'mon, just three of four licks."  Again, this is something Morris is claiming for the very first time.  Morris claims that Holtzclaw did not saying anything during the sexual assault itself.   Another important thing to note is that each time Morris retells her version of this alleged sexual assault, none of her quotes from Holtzclaw are consistent.  Each time she claims he says something different.  One time it's “go to jail or suck my dick”.  Another time it's “just do it for a minute”.  And this time it's “just three or four licks”.  Morris alleged that the sexual assault lasted anywhere from a couple to several minutes depending on which interview you listen to.  When the alleged sexual assault ended, Morris said that Holtzclaw insisted on giving her a ride to where she was going.  Morris claims she told Holtzclaw she was headed to her Uncle Terry Wayne’s home near Northeast Twenty Sixth and Kelley.  Morris claims that Holtzclaw took an indirect route to Uncle Terry Wayne’s townhouse.  You may recall media stories from when this case was going to trial.  Detectives Davis and Gregory and Prosecutor Gayland Gieger all referenced the Morris allegations when they talked about how Holtzclaw drove in this intricate zigzag pattern and how accuser Morris was able to accurately retrace his route and it matched Holtzclaw's patrol car GPS perfectly.  That fact is that is not true at all.  You heard Morris in her third interview with Detective Gregory.  But what you didn't hear was Morris recounting some intricate zigzag route. As a matter of fact, at trial Morris claims Holtzclaw drives her straight to her grandmother's street on East Hill.

53:34

From the Prosecutor: “Whenever he drives is he just going straight or is he making lots of turns?”  MORRIS: “He goes straight, then he turns. Then he goes down Twenty Fourth and Lindsay and Hill Street is probably about six or seven blocks apart.”  PROSECUTOR: “So, he takes you to Hill Street?"  MORRIS: “Yeah, Thirty Third --- 3200 or 3300 block."  Folks, that's not retracing a zigzag route.  That's Morris telling you Holtzclaw "goes straight" (in reference to Northeast Twenty Fourth street east bound).  "Then he turns" - that's his left turn from Northeast Twenty Fourth to North Phillips Avenue.  "Then he goes down."  That's Holtzclaw driving down Phillips to East Hill Street.  In all fairness, according to Holtzclaw's patrol car GPS, his route does actually deviate slightly.  You could loosely call this a zigzag pattern.  But that route is not recounted by Morris in any audio recording, or any report by detectives and is not contained within Morris' jury trial transcript.  It's simply a lie.  A lie told by the prosecutors to a public who was eager to lap it up.  Regardless, Morris claims Holtzclaw just happened to pause at the corner of Phillips and Hill, the very corner where Morris' grandmother lives.  Though Morris won't admit it, that's actually in my opinion where she got out of Holtzclaw's vehicle.  Instead she claims she could somehow tell Holtzclaw was going to make a left and drive into a large field and possibly sexually assault her again.  Morris does admit, however, that Holtzclaw never actually drove towards the field and that she could simply tell that because he cut his tires that direction. Morris claims she screamed and that Holtzclaw drove on.  Morris testified that Holtzclaw continued on northbound a couple of blocks and then crossed over eastbound to North Kelley Avenue.  From there, he proceeded south on Kelley a few blocks to Northeast Twenty Sixth.  Morris then repeatedly has claimed that Holtzclaw went westbound on Northeast Twenty Sixth one block to Urban League Court and that he stopped at the intersection and let her out.  Morris said she then walked to her Uncle Terry Wayne's townhouse located near the entrance of the cul-de-sac that is Urban League Court.

56:09

Depending on which version of Morris' story you listen to she either did or did not tell her Uncle Terry Wayne about the assault.  At trial, Morris testified under oath she did tell her Uncle Terry Wayne what happened.  Let’s fact check this real quick.  According to Daniel Holtzclaw's patrol car GPS, Morris' account of being dropped off at her Uncle Terry Wayne's is a hundred percent a lie. What's worse is that Detective Gregory knows it's a lie but he has continuously forwarded it as the truth.  How do we know Detective Gregory know it's a lie?  He admitted to the lie while under oath at the jury trial.  Holtzclaw's Defense Attorney, Scott Adams, confronted Detective Gregory in a series of quotes from the trial.  Question by attorney Scott Adams: "You would agree with me that the AVL in this case one hundred percent says she's lying when she says that he let her out at Twenty Sixth and Kelley?  Detective Gregory: "Yes."  Mr. Adams: “And, again, in any of your reports that you dictated in this case, particularly on July 10th, whenever you supposedly drive her around and she shows you the path that she says was taken, did you ever put in your report it is an impossibility for it to have happened the way she's saying it happened because of the speeds that the AVL shows that they were going when they crossed Twenty Sixth and Kelley?”  Detective Gregory: “No, I didn't.”  Mr. Adams: “You didn't talk about any of the impossibility stuff at all.”  Detective Gregory: “No.”  In fact, the only zero speeds at all in Holtzclaw's GPS is when he’s stopped with Morris at Northeast Twenty Fourth and Lindsay.  Holtzclaw’s patrol car does, however, slow down and there’s a one-minute gap in the GPS timeline at North Phillips and East Hill Street.  I'll get back that that when I give you my theory of what actually happened.  Detective Gregory also admitted at trial that he contacted Morris' Uncle Terry Wayne and that he stated Morris never told him about the alleged sexual assault and that while he had seen a news story about the assaults, he had no idea Morris was an accuser.

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I'd like to quickly go back to another lie that Detective Gregory got caught in at trial.  From page 3,274 of the jury trial transcript.  Attorney Scott Adams: “And you certainly did not show Ms. Morris during this interview any maps, notes or any AVL information. Correct?”  Detective Gregory: “Correct."  But just a minute later, Mr. Adams asks “But it's your testimony at no time was a map ever shown to her or a satellite photograph or even a Google Map?”  Detective Gregory: “I misunderstood.  Yes, there was a map.”  A bit further down… Mr. Adams again: "So, whenever you testified previously that you did not provide any AVL's or any maps or anything like that, you were mistaken?”  And further down from there, Mr. Adams again: "Well, you would agree with me that nowhere in your report do you ever mention that you ever show her any maps or anything like that?”  Detective Gregory: "That's correct.  Yeah."  Mr. Adams: "Is there a reason you left that out of your report?"  Detective Gregory: “No.”  Morris not only lied to investigators when she told them that Christopher Shelton was the first person she disclosed the alleged rape to, she takes her lie a step further.  She claimed at trial that Shelton told her that she needed to report the rape to police.  Morris went so far as to claim under oath that she begged Christopher Shelton not to call police and tell them, but he insisted on doing it anyway.  I've already played that 911 call for you and you've heard the subsequent police report.  And in that call and in those reports it's crystal clear Christopher Shelton didn't believe Morris and he only called police to get her out of his vehicle that she was tearing apart.  So, now that we've heard Morris' multiple version of events and the prosecutions theories, let’s recap what we actually know.

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In the early morning hours of May 24, 2014, Terri Morris is admittedly high on crack cocaine and fully believes she is in a romantic relationship with the much older Christopher Shelton.  Shelton, on the other hand, believes their relationship ended over a month ago.  The two encounter each other around 3:00 a.m. and an argument eventually escalates into a full on rampage by Morris.  Police are eventually called.  Not so Shelton can report some sort of rape allegation, but to simply get her get out of and stop tearing up his vehicle.  Regardless, once police do arrive and Morris cries rape, there is never another mention as to the original reason police were on the scene in the first place.  There is not a single word in any police reports regarding any concern for the fact that Morris is publicly intoxicated on crack cocaine, destroying private property, and most likely has drugs and drug paraphernalia on her person.  In fact, once she is done going into great detail - details that she later admits are all a lie - police simply allow this woman, who is unaccompanied and admittedly high on crack, to simply walk away into the darkness.  And it doesn't end there, less than two hours later police encounter Morris again.  This time she’s about a mile away, she is still high, she is trespassing, and trying to break into the apartment of Mr. Shelton's new girlfriend.  And, once again, there is zero concern for those crimes and Morris is handed over to some unidentified male so she can simply sleep it off.  Detective Gregory is given the case just a couple of days later and goes to great pains to locate Morris.  And when he does, Morris wants nothing to do with cooperating in the investigation of the rape allegations she has made just days before.  Eventually she relents and she tells the story we've all gone over several times about being sexually assaulted in downtown Oklahoma City.  And she's not vague in her details.  She takes great pains to tell how she was sober and walking from a treatment facility to the City Rescue.  She even gives details about the officer driving past the City Rescue after the alleged sexual assault.

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But there's a problem.  Detective Gregory has his sights set on Officer Daniel Holtzclaw, but he has some huge obstacles to overcome.  Morris' dates for the assault are way off.  She insists it's either May 20th or 21st.  Keep in mind, the May 8th date is ONLY ever suggested by Detective Gregory and the prosecution.  Morris never retreats from her original dates. Morris insists the officer is much older than Holtzclaw, has dark skin, and she can't even positively identify him even in a photo lineup Gregory admits was constructed with the sole purpose of skewing Morris to pick Holtzclaw.  Then there's the patrol car.  Morris repeatedly and without hesitation says the officer who raped her was driving the much more common and older black and white Crown Vic.  In reality, Holtzclaw is driving the more rare and distinct newer model all black patrol car.  In most any other case these discrepancies would be enough to clear Holtzclaw, but not in Detective Gregory's mind.  So, on his second in person visit with Morris he begins to nudge her towards the story he needs her to tell.  It starts by an off the record suggestion the rape actually occurred on the other side of town and at Liberty Station Apartments.  But Morris is still too high and off her meds to fully comprehend what Detective Gregory is trying to do.  But, weeks later, Gregory knows that Morris has been sitting in jail for about a week and he makes another run at her.  This time she's much more clear headed and she's thought about Gregory's suggestion that this all occurred at a different location.  More importantly, she's now willing to accept that suggestion as fact.  After speaking with Detective Gregory for an unknown amount of time before he decides to record the interview, Morris has now transposed most of the original details to the other side of town and to an encounter she had with Officer Daniel Holtzclaw.  We know Holtzclaw detained Morris, but it was on May 8th, not 20th or 21st, and it wasn’t in downtown Oklahoma City.

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In my opinion, Holtzclaw, who was at Liberty Station Apartments running a male suspect for warrants, noticed Morris.  Morris was hanging out in front of an apartment Holtzclaw knew to be a place suspected of trafficking drugs.  Holtzclaw saw Morris leave and he proceeded to approach her just a few blocks away.  Holtzclaw's intuition told him that a drug addict leaving a suspected drug house most likely had drugs on them and more importantly they also had information about the drug dealers.  Holtzclaw has worked as a member of the Oklahoma City Police Gang Unit.  He knows how important informants are in making a case and shutting down dealers.  He stops Morris and, as Morris admits at trial, she is stopped at a location that makes it very difficult for others to see who is in Holtzclaw's patrol car and thus makes it difficult for them to know who might be inside snitching.  This will come up over and over again throughout this podcast.  The addicts and prostitutes in this area absolutely do not want to be seen talking to police.  Remember, snitches get stitches.  Holtzclaw searches Morris, he instructs Morris to perform what Detective Gregory will actually identify during accuser Carla Raines’ investigation as "The Clasp and Shake."  It's an unfortunate accepted search technique by OCPD (though I personally find it appalling and humiliating).  It’s a search wherein the female suspect is instructed to clasp the underwire of their bra, pull it away from their breasts and ‘shake’ the bra.  The idea is to dislodge any drugs, paraphernalia, or weapons that may be hidden within the bra or under breast tissue.  If you recall during Holtzclaw's interrogation he and detectives repeatedly referred to this technique, though they just identified it as "the shake."  As far as Morris' claims that she was instructed to unzip her pants.  Well, it's just my opinion, but I think that may have actually occurred, just to a much lesser extent.  Holtzclaw admitted in his interrogation that not only is he familiar with the "the shake" but he also searches suspects waistband because it's a popular place to hide contraband.  So, he may have indeed had Morris perform the clasp and shake and then had her expose her waist band.  Both of those procedures are completely within police policy.

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Even in her version of events, Morris admits Holtzclaw didn't directly tell her to expose herself and later testifies that she merely unzipped her pants because he was searching her and that he never touched her. Regardless, Holtzclaw found Morris' crack pipe.  I believe Holtzclaw then tried to make Morris believe that he might take her to jail for the pipe unless she was willing to share information about the drug house she had just left.  The fact the woman Morris identified as "Aunt Shirley" denied even knowing Morris would seem to support that conclusion.  When Morris either refused to snitch out her drug supplier or was simply too high to cooperate, Holtzclaw decided he'd offer her a ride to see if he could get her talking.  Morris didn't ask to be taken to Uncle Terry Wayne’s (who, by the way is no more an uncle to Terri Morris than Shirley is an aunt).  Morris asked to be taken to her actual blood relative grandmother's house on East Hill Street.  And this is the route that Holtzclaw drives.  He does make one slight detour where he makes a right hand turn from North Phillips Avenue onto Northeast Twenty Seventh Street.  But he turns back west and returns to Phillips and continues northbound.  I believe this was due to Morris trying to give Holtzclaw directions and she became confused and simply told him to turn too early.  When she realized the mistake he returned to North Phillips Avenue.  According to Holtzclaw's patrol car GPS, the only time he slows down and appears to stop is at North Phillips Avenue and East Hill Street (or, about the 3300 block of North Phillips).  This is the corner that is only a couple of houses from Morris' grandmother’s.  Morris claims Holtzclaw paused because he was considering driving into a field and possibly sexually assaulting her again.  She couldn't have known that though.  I suggest to you that this is actually where Morris instructed Holtzclaw to drive to and that he stopped at the corner and simply let Morris out of his patrol car so that she could then walk to her grandmother's house without being seen getting out of a patrol car.  This would also explain what happens next... Holtzclaw then drives south on North Kelley Avenue and his patrol car GPS never has him slowing down below thirty miles per hour and never stopping as he leaves the area that immediate area to patrol other parts of Springlake.  Additionally, Detective Gregory admitted at trial he doesn't even believe Morris was dropped off at her Uncle Terry Wayne's as she previously insisted and Detective Gregory previously supported.

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So, why did Morris make these allegations?  I personally have no idea.  Maybe she was upset because she didn't like how Holtzclaw treated her and made her do the Clasp and Shake.  Maybe she didn't like Holtzclaw trying to coerce her into snitching out her drug dealer.  Maybe it's as simple as she’s a paranoid schizophrenic who admitted she is on meds that she rarely takes as prescribed.  Meds that clearly list their known side effects are to cause hallucinations, confusion, and unusual thoughts and behavior.  Regardless, Detective Gregory enabled Morris to aid him in targeting Daniel Holtzclaw.  And the targeting of Holtzclaw is only just beginning and the lengths Lieutenant Muzny and Detectives Davis and Gregory are willing to go are almost unfathomable.  I'm going to stop here.  This has been a long episode with many versions of the same alleged event that I needed to untangle.  In the next episode we learn that formal criminal charges are going to be filed in this case regarding Ligons’ and Morris' allegations.  Investigators reach out to Holtzclaw for a list of potential contributors of the DNA found on his uniform pants.  And then, investigators develop a controversial list of potential Holtzclaw victims and they begin to reach out to them.  If you’ve enjoyed this podcast, please take a moment to subscribe and give us a five star review.  If you would like to know more and see many of the files used to compile this episode, please visit this season’s homepage at holtzclawtrial.com.  You can also follow updates on our Facebook page at In Defense of Daniel Holtzclaw, or on Twitter @HoltzclawTrial.  Bates Investigates - Season One: the Daniel Holtzclaw case is researched, produced, and edited by me, Brian Bates.  This has been a bug stomper production.  

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